{"id":9536,"date":"2015-02-17T05:13:24","date_gmt":"2015-02-17T11:13:24","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/yogisden.us\/?p=9536"},"modified":"2015-02-20T05:50:44","modified_gmt":"2015-02-20T11:50:44","slug":"the-outlet-mall-on-turkey-mountain-moves-a-step-further","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/yogisden.us\/?p=9536","title":{"rendered":"The Outlet Mall on Turkey Mountain Moves a Step Further"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Simon Properties made their first official move to make their planned outlet mall on Turkey Mountain a reality. <a href=\"http:\/\/www.tulsaworld.com\/news\/government\/west-tulsa-outlet-mall-plans-submitted-to-planning-commission\/article_18852b13-a528-5c53-8ad8-80e8877df8fb.html\" target=\"_blank\">They submitted plans to the Tulsa Metropolitan Planning Commission including a plot plan.<\/a>\u00a0 (Thank you to the Tulsa Urban Wilderness Coalition for <a href=\"http:\/\/www.tulsaurbanwildernesscoalition.org\/?p=568\" target=\"_blank\">posting the drawing<\/a>.)<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/yogisden.us\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/02\/Incog-Simon-Malls-Plans.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone  wp-image-9537\" src=\"http:\/\/yogisden.us\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/02\/Incog-Simon-Malls-Plans-300x201.jpg\" alt=\"Incog Simon Malls Plans\" width=\"476\" height=\"319\" srcset=\"https:\/\/yogisden.us\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/02\/Incog-Simon-Malls-Plans-300x201.jpg 300w, https:\/\/yogisden.us\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/02\/Incog-Simon-Malls-Plans-624x419.jpg 624w, https:\/\/yogisden.us\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/02\/Incog-Simon-Malls-Plans.jpg 961w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 476px) 100vw, 476px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>The drawing is oriented so that north is to the right. If you study on it you see that the eastern edge of the proposed development butts up right next to a creek. If you read the elevations you can see that that they are planning on building a reataining wall that will be up to 75 feet tall, right at the edge of the creek.<\/p>\n<p><a title=\"Untitled by alnbbates, on Flickr\" href=\"https:\/\/www.flickr.com\/photos\/28381904@N06\/16357295379\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/farm8.staticflickr.com\/7441\/16357295379_1357855cd9_z.jpg\" alt=\"Untitled\" width=\"478\" height=\"640\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>Above is a nearby shopping center, Tulsa Hills. It probably has about the same amount of elevation over the ground but is staged by two retaining walls and two sloped areas. Simon, to save space and shoehorn as big a parking lot as possible is just going with one wall.<\/p>\n<p><a title=\"DSCN1998 by alnbbates, on Flickr\" href=\"https:\/\/www.flickr.com\/photos\/28381904@N06\/14114658626\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/farm8.staticflickr.com\/7429\/14114658626_f7684f533b_z.jpg\" alt=\"DSCN1998\" width=\"640\" height=\"480\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>I also don&#8217;t see any storm water retention ponds or anything so in my inexpert opinion whenever there is a strong rainstorm, instead of 48\u00a0acres of earth to help absorb and slow down runoff, it is all going to run off of the paved parking lot\u00a0and then dumped into the creek, along with whatever trash it gathers along the way, and flushed right into Lake Logan at\u00a0the West Side YMCA. I don&#8217;t think this plan is a good start.<\/p>\n<p><iframe loading=\"lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/2UhEGZyLIGc?rel=0\" width=\"560\" height=\"315\" frameborder=\"0\" allowfullscreen=\"allowfullscreen\"><\/iframe><\/p>\n<p>This mall is going to be a disaster for Turkey Mountain. Simon Properties is just putting their heads down and is bulling right on ahead.<\/p>\n<p><a title=\"Untitled by alnbbates, on Flickr\" href=\"https:\/\/www.flickr.com\/photos\/28381904@N06\/16541985132\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/farm9.staticflickr.com\/8665\/16541985132_bd872333f6_z.jpg\" alt=\"Untitled\" width=\"640\" height=\"478\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>We are going to see lots of asphalt and lots of cars and lots of stores selling crap. Also, this huge mall is only going to have one entrance, off a two lane road from a freeway instersection with no lights. I&#8217;m expecting that they will want the road and the intersection upgraded at no cost to them as an &#8220;incentive.&#8221; I&#8217;m also sure that will want some fancy tax treatment to pay for infrastructure as more incentives. They are building on private land so they can do what they want but I don&#8217;t want to incentivize them. I&#8217;d like them to go somewhere else in town. Perhaps to a failed existing shopping center and redevelop it.<\/p>\n<p><a title=\"Bikers on Turkey Mountain by alnbbates, on Flickr\" href=\"https:\/\/www.flickr.com\/photos\/28381904@N06\/14582612533\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/farm4.staticflickr.com\/3904\/14582612533_15e6a96ef9_z.jpg\" alt=\"Bikers on Turkey Mountain\" width=\"640\" height=\"480\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>Instead of an urban wilderness where we can refresh ourselves.<\/p>\n<p><a title=\"Untitled by alnbbates, on Flickr\" href=\"https:\/\/www.flickr.com\/photos\/28381904@N06\/15924086633\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/farm8.staticflickr.com\/7367\/15924086633_b33a478913_z.jpg\" alt=\"Untitled\" width=\"640\" height=\"478\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>Our vistas are all going to manmade.<\/p>\n<p><a title=\"IMG_1001 by alnbbates, on Flickr\" href=\"https:\/\/www.flickr.com\/photos\/28381904@N06\/15737436284\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/farm9.staticflickr.com\/8603\/15737436284_f4ac5bfab8_z.jpg\" alt=\"IMG_1001\" width=\"640\" height=\"359\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>Instead of what God made.<\/p>\n<p>What to do?<\/p>\n<p>This is far from settled. Simon is making noises about opening Fall 2016 but this should be far from settled.<\/p>\n<p>Contact your <a href=\"http:\/\/www.tulsacouncil.org\/councilors\/councilors-home.aspx\" target=\"_blank\">City Councilor<\/a><\/p>\n<p>Contact the <a href=\"https:\/\/www.cityoftulsa.org\/our-city\/elected-officials\/office-of-the-mayor.aspx\" target=\"_blank\">Mayor<\/a><\/p>\n<p>Check out the <a href=\"http:\/\/www.tmapc.org\/\" target=\"_blank\">Tulsa Metropolitan Planning Commission<\/a><\/p>\n<p>Stay informed with the <a href=\"http:\/\/www.tulsaurbanwildernesscoalition.org\/\" target=\"_blank\">Tulsa Urban Wilderness Coalition<\/a><\/p>\n<p>Read <a href=\"https:\/\/proactiveoutside.wordpress.com\/\" target=\"_blank\">Bob<\/a> and <a href=\"http:\/\/trailzombie.com\/\" target=\"_blank\">Ken&#8217;s<\/a> Blogs. They are at the forefront of this issue.<\/p>\n<p>More Information<\/p>\n<p><script type='text\/javascript' src='http:\/\/KOTV.images.worldnow.com\/interface\/js\/WNVideo.js?rnd=363835;hostDomain=www.newson6.com;playerWidth=640;playerHeight=360;isShowIcon=true;clipId=11156977;flvUri=;partnerclipid=;adTag=News;advertisingZone=;enableAds=true;landingPage=;islandingPageoverride=false;playerType=STANDARD_EMBEDDEDscript;controlsType=overlay'><\/script><a href=\"http:\/\/www.newson6.com\" title=\"NewsOn6.com - Tulsa, OK - News, Weather, Video and Sports - KOTV.com | \">NewsOn6.com &#8211; Tulsa, OK &#8211; News, Weather, Video and Sports &#8211; KOTV.com | <\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Simon Properties made their first official move to make their planned outlet mall on Turkey Mountain a reality. They submitted plans to the Tulsa Metropolitan Planning Commission including a plot plan.\u00a0 (Thank you to the Tulsa Urban Wilderness Coalition for posting the drawing.) The drawing is oriented so that north is to the right. If [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_exactmetrics_skip_tracking":false,"_exactmetrics_sitenote_active":false,"_exactmetrics_sitenote_note":"","_exactmetrics_sitenote_category":0,"footnotes":""},"categories":[47],"tags":[1296,817,1287],"class_list":["post-9536","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-turkey-mountain-urban-wilderness-area","tag-oklahoma","tag-simon-property-group","tag-turkey-mountain-urban-wilderness-area"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/yogisden.us\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/9536"}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/yogisden.us\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/yogisden.us\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/yogisden.us\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/yogisden.us\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcomments&post=9536"}],"version-history":[{"count":5,"href":"https:\/\/yogisden.us\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/9536\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":9551,"href":"https:\/\/yogisden.us\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/9536\/revisions\/9551"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/yogisden.us\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fmedia&parent=9536"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/yogisden.us\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcategories&post=9536"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/yogisden.us\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Ftags&post=9536"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}